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    The Art of Losing

    The Art of Losing - by Gary Gwilliam
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    The Art of Losing

    The Art of Losing - by Gary Gwilliam

    By Gary Gwiliam

    If you have never lost a case, you don’t need to read this article. It’s written for those of us who have felt the pain of loss, the anger and frustration of defeat, and the humiliation of blaming ourselves for not doing a better job.

    I doubt that many lawyers stopped reading at the first paragraph. Even though we always want to win our cases, it often doesn’t happen that way. We are trial lawyers. If we go into battle, we are going to lose now and then. However, the desire to win is so deeply instilled in us that it is difficult to think about losing.

    We don’t want to talk about our losses. We only want to bask in the glory of our victories, no matter how large or small. However, any lawyer in litigation is going to have to deal with losses and will probably suffer many of them.

    So what can we do about it? This article is written in order to help us deal with these inevitable losses. Perhaps there is a silver lining surrounding the dark clouds of defeat.

    For the last several hundred years, our common law heritage has honed our legal system into our current adversarial system of justice. Most of us are very proud of this system. We hail it as the greatest legal system in the world. It is founded on the premise that if both sides of a disputed matter can present their best arguments to a neutral tribunal, a just decision will be rendered. The system assumes that the lawyer who cites the best legal authorities, presents the most persuasive facts, and makes the best arguments will win. Justice always triumphs — or does it?


    The notion that justice is won through both sides presenting their best case is rooted in our common law history. It began with men fighting to their deaths in trial by battle. We now fight the battle with words instead of weapons, but the theory is the same: May the best person win.

    Magazines, trial books, and seminars offer advice for winning cases. We trial lawyers talk about winning trial strategies, winning in voir dire, winning in opening statements, winning in closing arguments, and on and on. Just pick up any legal publication and notice how often the term “winning” is used. No one talks about losing. We ignore that subject.

    The Art of Losing - Trial Lawyer's Journal

    Our overriding desire to win comes not just from our legal training. It runs through virtually everything in our culture–business, politics, and, especially, sports.

    One of the greatest sports heroes of all time, former Green Bay Packers coach Vince Lombardi, spoke of winning as follows: “There is no room for second place. I have finished second twice… and I never want to finish second again. … It is, and always has been, an American zeal to be first in anything we do and to win and to win and to win.”

    Isn’t that how most of us feel? Does anyone want to come in second place in a lawsuit? We are not only supposed to win, but we often feel a need to win at all costs.

    This drive leads to many problems. There is a lack of civility among lawyers. The need to win causes rancor, nastiness, and aggression among us. It often leads to something more serious. It causes frank breaches of ethics, such as lying, hiding documents, and misleading judges, jurors, and other lawyers in every effort to achieve the only acceptable result — victory.

    Some people are critical of our justice system. The public and most parties to litigation are fed up with lawyers fighting. This is true in all areas of civil litigation and especially in domestic cases. Many citizens yearn for something different. They want a better way to resolve their differences on a win-win, not a win-lose, basis.

    Furthermore, the system is causing great stress for lawyers. We have the highest rate of depression of any profession. Recent polls indicate that many lawyers are not happy in their work and are feeling the burnout of constant conflict. Being a lawyer today is stressful.

    But many would argue that the present justice system is serving us well. The joy and excitement of competition are what drove many of us to become trial lawyers. Is competition bad? Is it all right for us to enjoy the feelings of winning?


    I answer these questions in the following way. If the win has produced true justice, we have every right to feel good. Some of my most satisfying memories as a trial lawyer have been those of victory. However, it’s the other side of the coin that bothers me. I am concerned about the state of our profession and our well being as lawyers. The primal fear of losing can lead us to be less than our best as lawyers and human beings. The Art of Losing - Trial Lawyer's Journal

    Fear of Losing

    Many, if not most, trial lawyers have such a deep-seated fear of losing that it becomes almost impossible to acknowledge that emotion. It is a dark shadow within us that we don’t want to face. The fear of losing is really the fear of failure. And failure is embarrassing and shameful. It brings up childhood memories that are often too overwhelming to face.

    How do we feel when we lose? Angry, shamed, and resentful–all negative emotions that we want to put behind us as quickly as possible. Sometimes we deal with our failures by drinking excessively, throwing ourselves into work, taking our feelings out on others, or by withdrawing emotionally. A loss can make us feel our lives are failures. Depression can soon follow with all its attendant problems. High depression and suicide rates among lawyers are due, in part, to the terrific pressure put on us by our own fear of failure and our reaction to losing.

    It is impossible to be a lawyer and not suffer losses. How we react to losing is important. Winston Churchill once said, “Success isn’t final; failure isn’t fatal; it’s courage that counts.” This is not a cliche. This is exactly the problem with many trial lawyers. The fear of losing becomes so pervasive that we lose the courage to undertake the difficult case.

    Atticus Finch was the heroic trial lawyer in Harper Lee’s novel To Kill a Mockingbird. Finch represented an African American man accused of raping a white woman in a southern town in the early 1930s. He didn’t stand a chance of winning that case, and he knew what he was up against. But Finch took the case to trial and did the best he could. Of course, he lost, but he became a hero to his client, his family, and his community because he stood up for what he believed in.

    As trial lawyers, we should fight for justice. We need to confront our fears and overcome them. We need to find the courage to take on the tough cases to bring about justice.

    One great quote on courage is from Theodore Roosevelt, and it applies directly to trial lawyers:

    It is not the critic who counts, not the man
    who points out how the strong man stumbled
    or where the doer of deeds could have done
    better. The credit belongs to the man who is
    actually in the arena; whose face is marred by
    dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly;
    who errs and comes up short again and
    again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the
    great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy
    cause; who, at the best, knows in the end
    the triumph of high achievement; and who, at
    the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring
    greatly, so that his place shall never be with
    those cold and timid souls who know neither
    victory nor defeat.

    President Franklin D. Roosevelt, in his fireside chats during World War II, told the nation that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. He was right. Fear paralyzes us. It makes us timid and uncertain of our actions. A true trial lawyer is not timid or uncertain.

    If we approach our cases with courage and do our best to overcome our fears, we are off to a good start. However, we must be prepared to lose. And when we lose, we must recognize that it is not defeat that makes us fail.

    Our refusal to see the defeat as a necessary part of learning about success makes us fail. There can be no success without failure. There can be no wins without losses. They are two sides of the same coin. We must learn from our losses.

    Lessons from Losing

    The first lesson we learn from our losses is perseverance. We need to prepare to fight the next battle. We cannot allow losing to become such a huge bogeyman that it frightens us from trying our next tough case. Otherwise, our value as lawyers and human beings is diminished. We must be willing to take the next risk and try, try, try again.

    Another important lesson from our losses is humility. Every time we win, or think we win, we get a little more puffed up with ourselves. Our ego grows, and we become more self-centered.

    Humility is not often used to describe trial lawyers. It is easy to get involved in our cases and think that it is our win and not our client’s. We love to preen ourselves and talk about our big wins. We often think of our cases in self-centered ways.

    How do you feel when you are preparing for trial? What do you visualize in your mind when you think about winning? Are you at the center of the picture? Do you hear people saying good things about you? Do you perceive the good feelings about winning as revolving around how well you, the lawyer, performed?

    It is easy to fall into the “me me me” syndrome. What happened to the client? What about the others who deserve credit? The moment of triumph in winning can so easily inflate our narcissistic egos that we lose sight of the importance of our victories, and the credit others deserve.

    When we take a tough loss, there is none of that. Nothing deflates a ballooned ego faster than the words “We find for the defense and against the plaintiff.”

    A related lesson to be learned from loss is compassion. We can’t feel much compassion for others if we have never felt our own losses. Conversely, those who have suffered the greatest losses are usually the most compassionate.

    It is easy to feel compassion for others when they lose. How often have we consoled a fellow attorney after a loss and told him or her not to take it so hard? We can empathize with that person. Our heart goes out to our colleague. And, yet, when we look at our own losses, we are usually harsh on ourselves. We do not extend to ourselves the same compassion that we extend to others. We blame ourselves and are rigidly unforgiving of our losses. We ask ourselves what we should or could have done differently. We replay our mistakes in our minds. We become failures.

    I’ve spoken to many lawyers and have found self-criticism is one of the most difficult problems we lawyers have to deal with. So maybe it’s time we begin to be a little easier on ourselves and recognize that losing isn’t the end of the world. Some of life’s greatest lessons come from these so-called losses. Defeat is not synonymous with failure unless we allow it to be. In the long run, it is more important to accept our losses and learn from them than to bask in the glory of our wins, from which we often learn nothing.

    Personal Experiences

    I have been a trial lawyer for over 35 years. Every case I have handled since my first four years as a prosecutor through the last 31 years as a plaintiff attorney in litigation has involved a potential trial. I have lost about 30 jury trials in my career, more cases than many lawyers try these days. On the other hand, I have tried more than 150 jury trials to verdict, and I have had many wins that I could talk about. But that is not the point of this article.

    I don’t feel comfortable talking about my losses. I would rather forget them. But I can’t. They have taught me tough lessons.

    Perhaps the most difficult loss I suffered occurred in 1977. I had been a trial lawyer for 15 years and a plaintiff attorney for over 10. I had a good trial record, and I was as full of my own ego as the next guy.

    I took on a case against General Motors involving a gas tank explosion in a 1974 Chevrolet pick-up truck. The case involved a head-on accident, and the defendant was a young man who had been driving at about 80 mph when he crossed the center line and hit the truck that my clients were riding in.

    The driver of the truck, a man in his 30s, was killed. His wife was horribly burned and aborted an eight-month pregnancy. Their child was also severely burned, and another child was killed. The parents of that child had been following the pick-up truck, witnessed the horrible conflagration, and watched their child bum to death.

    After a three-week trial and several days of jury deliberations, a controversy arose because one juror had apparently done some research on the case. I made a motion to excuse the juror–I was convinced she was against us because she held GM stock.

    The defense attorney vigorously contested this, and, after a day-long hearing, the judge ruled in our favor and then excused the juror. I later learned that she had been our most favorable juror, and, eventually, the other 11 jurors reached a defense verdict.

    I remember my reaction to that loss. I felt shame and anger. I did not want to face my partners. I didn’t even want to call to tell them the result. I wanted to be alone and lick my wounds. But, of course, I had to go back and face the music.

    My partners and friends sympathized. They knew the case was tough. I went along with them on the surface, but inside I was full of self-blame. I tried to shrug it off, saying, “Well, there will be a next time.” But the pain in my gut persisted. I turned to the time-honored trial lawyers’ anesthetic–alcohol. Although I had been a heavy drinker for years, this loss exacerbated the problem.

    I attempted to compensate for the loss in the only other way I knew how. I worked harder. I dove back into my other cases. I needed a “win” to heal the wound of my loss. Although I did win a case now and then, I struggled over the next several years to win The Big One.

    It wasn’t until 1985 — 8 years later — that I was finally fortunate enough to win a substantial verdict. By this time, I had stopped drinking and changed my life. I had changed my attitude toward trying cases. I had come to realize that I couldn’t be truly successful without completely and honestly facing the fear of losing before a case began.

    By “successful,” I mean being able to deal with yourself no matter what happens to the case. This means recognizing that even if you lose, you did the best you could and shouldn’t beat yourself up for not doing better.

    My philosophy was put to the test in Reibe v. Kramer, a shoulder dystocia malpractice case against an obstetrician. My client was a beautiful young eight-year-old girl who had a permanently neurologically damaged arm. I tried the case in March 1988, a difficult time for me. I was starting my year as president of the California Trial Lawyers Association, and we were in the middle of the biggest battle in our history, facing four hugely funded insurance initiatives that would have devastated our organization and had resounding negative effects on trial lawyers around the country.

    If that wasn’t enough distraction, I received the news of my mother’s death while in the middle of the direct examination of our first witness in the case. We had to take a recess in the trial while I traveled out of state to deliver the eulogy at her funeral.

    I lost the case. I still have two pages of handwritten notes dated April 2, 1988, entitled “Reflections on a Defense Verdict — Reibe v. Kramer.” I wrote, “What can be learned from this case? What messages are there for me as a human being in this defense verdict? First, I must remember that being a winner doesn’t always mean getting a plaintiff’s verdict.”

    I described that I felt I had tried a good case against an exceptionally good defense attorney. It was a no-offer case, and I understood the factual reasons why I lost. More important, my client’s mother was a fine woman who later became my personal secretary and remains a close friend after all these years. And I reflected on what my partner, who had tried the case with me, and I had learned from the trial.

    We learned again the extreme difficulty of winning any medical malpractice case. I also hit on the idea that our firm should have a retreat to discuss our cases. This began a wonderful tradition where our partners take at least two weekends a year to discuss our cases and to reflect on our goals as a law firm.

    Finally, I made some personal reflections in my notes — “I must learn to accept this loss without anger. I shouldn’t take it out on myself, let alone my family. I’ve got to learn to deal with it lightly….”

    I wrote, “If you win every case you try, you are not doing your job as a trial lawyer. You have to try the tough cases and remember that there are opposing lawyers who can do as good or better than you can in the courtroom. My ego needs to be deflated every now and then. I have to stay in touch with my inner values and my spiritual self. If the case was meant to be won, it would have been won.”

    I lost another case last year. I represented a couple who contended they were victims of churning by a life insurance company. I worked closely with the clients, and we became friendly. However, they were obsessed with the case. They called the office frequently, and it seemed their lives revolved around the lawsuit. We were optimistic going into the case because of a positive focus group. But the jury ruled against us.

    At first the couple accepted the result. However, shortly after, they made a number of accusations about the case to the state bar. Although the complaint was dismissed, I became resentful toward them. I have tried to let go of my negative feelings about the case, but it has been difficult. Now I’m working on what may be the hardest of all the lessons we learn from our losses — forgiveness.

    The Art of Losing - Trial Lawyer's Journal

    Forgiveness is a process of letting go. Releasing our feelings of resentment, anger, and, especially, self-righteousness is not as easy as it sounds. However, it is the only way to heal the wounds of our perceived losses. If we can forgive those involved in our losses–clients, witnesses, judges, juries, or opposing counsel–we release negative emotions. We dictate how we feel about the loss. We are in control.

    But if we hang on to bitterness, anger, and resentment, we can’t grow and move forward. These negative feelings handicap our ability to act with the courage we need. This courage comes from being in touch with our deepest spiritual values, and there is nothing more powerful than this. We become true winners.

    Who are the real winners and losers in our profession? Winners are not necessarily the people who walk away victorious. Being a real winner has to do with values. Winners have integrity. Winners have courage. Winners sometimes lose cases. Losers have arrogance when they win and bitterness when they lose.

    Materialism also affects who is a winner and who is a loser. Trial lawyers who are interested only in money have an exaggerated fear of losing. They don’t take the risk of trying a tough case because it may not be in the interest of their bottom line. Plaintiff attorneys who take on the cause of justice act out of courage. They are not afraid to take on powerful defendants. They are fearless Davids in the face of giant Goliaths. They are the real winners.

    We must dedicate ourselves to the art of accepting our losses and being real winners.

    Gary Gwilliam is a partner with Gwilliam, Ivary, Chiosso, Cavalli & Brewer in Oakland, California.




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    M.P.M.P. – Mike Papantonio Made Perfect

    Mike Papantonio Made Perfect - TLJ
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    M.P.M.P. – Mike Papantonio Made Perfect

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    By Chad Sands

    It must have been the tequila — and the first wave of my morning hangover — slowly starting to crack my brain awake around 6:30 a.m.

    Or maybe it was the rum? Now that I think about it, it was probably both: the tequila and the rum.

    I roll over. To my left on the bed, a book, Inhuman Trafficking, lies open just a few pages into Chapter 1. My eyes wince; I remember something about a predatory guy in a car with a frozen slushy drink — but that’s all I can recall.

    It’s obvious I didn’t make it far in my nightly reading after the opening party with open bar last night.

    Out the sliding glass door of my room at the Cosmopolitan, I catch the first edge of dawn breaking over the Las Vegas Strip, a bruised pink and gold morning sky. I gather myself, and soon enough I’m making my way on the unexpectedly long, meandering walk toward the Bellagio, where MTMP — Mass Torts Made Perfect — awaits.

    This would be my second MTMP conference in as many years. The first was in April 2022, barely two months after I’d joined CloudLex as VP of Marketing. But to explain why I am writing this article, why MTMP feels different, and why its founder, Mike “Pap” Papantonio, commands my attention, you’d have to go a little further back. Back to 2016.

    Back to my first real job in legal tech: Content Marketing Manager at MyCase. I left the world of glossy magazine ads at Sotheby’s International Realty for the world of generic legal case management software. I wrote blog posts and Facebook ad copy, dabbled in graphic design, shot and edited corporate videos, and spent hard-earned hours writing e-books and case studies that ChatGPT can now accomplish in seconds.

    So by the time April 2022 rolled around, in addition to co-producing a mediocre Netflix movie, I had spent over five years marketing software to lawyers and had been to my share of conferences: ABA TechShow, the New Orleans Solo & Small Firm Conference, a family law conference in San Diego, a legal-something conference in New York.

    No disrespect to any of those events and the many other conferences out there — but MTMP was different. Not only a spectacle fit for Las Vegas, but a production that entertains as much as it educates (and on a scale I hadn’t seen before).

    And it was there, during the 9 a.m. keynote at my first MTMP in April 2022, when Pap walked onstage and at one point lit into some of his favorite subjects I had honestly not really heard about: young lawyers taking defense paychecks right out of law school, corporations exploiting consumers for decades, and the simple, stubborn truth that the only real counterpunch for accountability happens in a courtroom.

    The energy there — at MTMP — fueled by Pap and dozens of other trial lawyers who I saw take the stage over the next two days in the generously fed, air-conditioned Wynn ballrooms, sparked something inside me.

    Here, I’d stumbled into an arena of trial lawyers talking strategy, trading tactics, speaking from the trenches. No talk about increasing billable hours. Nothing from a company spokeswoman talking about a new payments integration “to get paid faster,” or how workflow automations can shave off hours in your day (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

    After years of producing generic e-books and legal webinars on increasing productivity and attending conference sessions on harnessing technology — MTMP felt inspiring. It resonated. And it set me on what’s now close to a four-year journey of finding myself deeply connected to the work personal injury lawyers do for their clients and our society.

    This reality I came to see after joining CloudLex was far different from the caricature the general public — myself included — had been told. Personal injury lawyers, so often dismissed as “ambulance chasers” selling “lawsuit lottery tickets,” were in truth advocates fighting uphill battles for people whose lives had been shattered.

    That twisted and misunderstood narrative was exactly why, in the spring of 2023, the team at CloudLex made a commitment to create The Trial Lawyer’s Journal. My hope was that by putting together a beautiful print journal — sparing no expense on paper or design or print quality — filled with unique stories rooted in the intricate world of trial law, it would resonate with the personal injury lawyers I wanted to connect with. There would be no full-page law firm ads or an entire magazine filled with company propaganda. This wasn’t pay-to-play. There are already too many publications out there exactly like that.

    The Trial Lawyer’s Journal would be something different.

    Something… unusual.

    To go deeper, to continue the conversations, and to share more stories, in 2024 we launched the Celebrating Justice podcast with a simple idea: create a “procedural”-type podcast where each guest is asked the same questions about their career as a trial lawyer and the cases that matter most. I recorded over 30 interviews with plaintiff trial lawyers in all stages of their careers in Season One and 26 episodes in Season Two. As someone who previously proclaimed I would never start a podcast because “Everyone and their mom has a podcast,” Celebrating Justice ended up validating my connection and appreciation for trial lawyers — the burden they carry and the battles they fight.

    So, in April 2025, I found myself back at MTMP with the new TLJ Vol. II in hand, making the seventeen-minute walk from my room at the Encore to the MTMP expo hall at the Wynn. During a break between sessions, I finally flag Pap down, waving the bright light-blue TLJ Vol. II cover until I catch his attention.

    A quick conversation followed; Pap is a busy man and has a line of people following in tow. He flipped through, nodded at the print quality, and as we arrived at the Levin Papantonio booth, he then handed me off to Scott, executive producer at Pap’s Ring of Fire production company. I passed along my info, hoping the discussed potential interview for TLJ Vol. III would materialize. Pap signed a copy of his new legal thriller, The Middleman, just like the copy I had of his other novel, Inhuman Trafficking,

    I got a few years prior. Knowing my time was up, I waved thanks and good-bye.

    Weeks later, the email reply came. Then the meeting calendar confirmation link. Finally, after years of circling, and dozens of interviews with other trial lawyers, I logged on to interview the man behind MTMP. The screen blinked to life, and there he was — Mike “Pap” Papantonio — framed by his signature blue looping green screen backdrop, akin to Mr. Wonderful on CNBC or Fox News.

    The time had finally come to get behind the stories and to ask him….

    ••••

    Trial Lawyers Journal: Why did you want to become a trial lawyer?

    Mike Papantonio: I think you end up in this business for a lot of different reasons. I’ve interviewed people and they say, “Well, I was moved by To Kill a Mockingbird” — and I certainly was. That was one factor. But a lot of us take with us all of our history, don’t we? When we choose to do what we want to do for a living, that history has a big influence on it.
     
    And so I think it’s significant that my history is that I was raised by eight different families growing up all over central Florida, and they were primarily blue-collar workers. These weren’t wealthy families. These were people that were living paycheck to paycheck — and sometimes were kind enough to take me into their family. I’ve always had that notion that I wanted to help the underdog, and these people — from a scale of cultural evaluation — they would be considered definitely the underdog.
     
    The other factor that led me here is I was a journalism major at the University of Florida. I was going to be a foreign correspondent — which was my goal ultimately. I knew what I wanted to do. All my friends at that point were covering Nicaragua or Sana’a — it was a revolution taking place, and that’s where everybody wanted to go. And about the last year of my school, somebody said to me, “I think you ought to think about being an attorney. I want you to meet Perry Nichols.” Perry Nichols was regarded as the very best — very best — trial lawyer of his time. There were about three names kicking around during his time, but he was a spectacular trial lawyer who had really mastered the art of cross-examination. And so I said, “Okay, yeah, I’ll meet him. I’d love to see what he has to say.”
     
    And so I went to his house in Arcadia, Florida. It was a cinder block house out in the middle of nowhere. He raised Angus cattle — he was into the Angus cattle business. So I go into his house and I start kind of inartfully… I don’t really even know what to say to this man. I mean, I’ve got this Goliath of a trial lawyer sitting in front of me, and I’m halfway thinking about wanting to be a lawyer. So I said, “What is it that sets you apart from other lawyers?”
     
    And in the back of him, he had books — there were Steinbeck and Conrad and Kafka — some of the greatest writers of the time. He said, “Son, those are books I’ve read a couple times.” And what he was saying to me is: there’s nothing magical about what we think of when we think of an idea. All these ideas have been out there. It’s our job to understand those ideas, bring more space and more impact to those ideas, and then deliver them as a trial lawyer.
     
    So I walked away from there thinking, “Wow.” I had to really think about it. So I concluded: I can always be a journalist. I can write. But let me get my law degree.
     
    And ultimately, the real irony, 45 years later I got the Perry Nichols Award in Florida, which is the highest award you can get as a trial lawyer in the state of Florida. It’s kind of funny how things went full circle. So there’s a lot of things that have an impact on you. But if I’m to distill what it is: you are a product of how you’re raised. And when you’re raised around people as decent as the people I was raised around, you say, “Well, that’s the side of the ‘v’ that I want to be on.”
     
    TLJ:  Going back to some of your early mentors, when you think back to the lessons they passed on to you and taught you, what are some of those really important gems that you think younger lawyers nowadays are not being taught or shown?
     
    MP: I think it surfaced with Fred Levin. I used to talk to Fred all the time about the direction of the law firm. This law firm is 71 years old, and Fred, very early on, brought me on as a name partner because I was getting good results. And I think the thing we used to talk about is: “What holds lawyers back? What is it that lawyers can’t overcome?” And if I drill down on it, it’s a simple word — rejection. 
     
    They’re fearful of rejection. They’re fearful of moving outside of their safe space. Most of them grew up as president of their class and homecoming queen, or  president of their fraternity — whatever. They were always in that position where they had this sense of self-importance, right? 
     
    And all of a sudden, you ask them, “You know what, Mary? You know what, Joe? I’m going to ask you to do something that’s risky. Okay? First of all, it’s risky. Second of all, you might fail. And thirdly, your failure may make you really unhappy for a long time — and people are going to notice you fail.”
     
    It’s that fear of rejection that keeps lawyers from doing. What they need to do is grow — to grow. They buy into everything that’s been handed down to ’em, generation after generation. They go to a law firm, and the law firm says, “Hey, we do 1,800 car crashes a year. Bobby, you’ve got to do a hundred of them.”
     
    What kind of life is that? It’s not much different, to me, from those awful people on the other side of the ‘v’ that come out of law school and say, “I’m going to go to work for a defense firm, and my big day is going to be when I have prevented a thousand people from recovering after the defendant company that I represent has killed them and maimed them. That’s a big day for me.”
     
    And those people are terrified of rejection too. Those are people who might’ve graduated at the top of their class. They may be editors of the law review, but they come out like veal. I call them veal because they graduate from law school and they’re put into this isolated, tiny office, and all day they sit doing memos and briefs. They’re really smart people, but they simply have no imagination. They have no creativity. 
     
    They have no sense of a bigger world out there. And so they’re relegated to that for their entire life. They never really accomplish anything — but they are terrified of rejection.
     

    TLJ:  This year marked the 25th anniversary of MTMP. I don’t know if it was five of you sitting in a dark room 25 years ago saying, “Let’s get this thing together in Vegas and do it twice a year,” but did you ever imagine MTMP would be where it’s at and the influence and education that you’ve given so many people?

    MP: I don’t think anybody believed that MTMP was even a good idea. I remember bringing it to my partners and they said:
     
    PARTNER #1: “Let me get this right. You want to go to Vegas and you want to put all of your competitors — the people who want your business — on a stage, talking about how great they are and their great ideas and how they’re going to change the world?”
    PARTNER #2: “Those are your competitors, Pap. Remember?”
    PARTNER #3: “And you want to put them on stage?”
    PAP: “Yeah, that’s right.”
    PARTNER #4: “And you want to spend a million dollars a year — by the time it’s over — doing that? That the firm has to pay?”
    PARTNER #5: “That’s after all the costs are paid, Pap.”
    PAP: “Yeah, that’s what I want to do.”
     
    MP: The only person that really kind of understood it was Fred Levin. Fred was a single-event lawyer. He never did any mass torts. People don’t know that but he was a single-event lawyer and had some of the biggest verdicts in America. I mean, they were huge verdicts. I think for four years he had two of the largest verdicts in the country.
     
    But he understood that in order to sustain growth in our firm — growth in the practice — we had to do something unusual. And MTMP was the unusual thing.
     
    And oddly enough, the first time we showed up in Vegas, the place was packed. Because the idea was to get people thinking about something different than what they do when they go to their office and are thinking about it every day. Every day it’s the same routine, but for four or five days, they go to Vegas and they think about possibilities that they’ve never even considered — possibilities that can make them mammoths in the practice of law.
     
    If they’ll simply overcome that fear of rejection, if they’ll be teachable, and if they’ll be willing to say to some of the guys that have been doing this for 20 years, “I don’t know how to do it. I want your help. I’m glad to pay you some percentage of a case until I can learn how to do it.” And then they’re on their own.
     
    TLJ: At MTMP, you talked about ultra-processed foods and this new type 2 diabetes that didn’t exist. Kids growing up in the eighties didn’t have it. And I found it interesting that you trace it back to big tobacco companies — who ultimately got their hand slapped for tobacco — and then pivoted into the food corporations and ultimately created that problem.
     
    MP:  Yeah, it’s the same people. The same people who killed hundreds of thousands of people with tobacco now are killing thousands and thousands of kids through their food. They’ve moved over to the food industry because it’s more profitable.
     
    TLJ: And they took their dyes and flavors and all of that stuff they weren’t allowed to put into nicotine and started putting it into food.
     
    MP:  That’s correct. It’s addictive — not only the flavors. There are addictive chemicals in the food to where it’s an addiction problem. If you tell a little 8-year-old that he can’t have his Cap’n Crunch anymore for the rest of his life, the kid goes into hysteria — because he’s addicted to damn Cap’n Crunch. And the other reason they were able to make that pivot is nobody in the tobacco years was thrown in prison. You had the 12 dwarfs standing up in front of Congress:
     
    Q: “Sir, is there any connection between the product that you make and cancer?”
     
    A: “Oh, absolutely not. I’ve studied it. I signed. There’s no connection at all.”
     
    Those guys knew exactly what they were doing. They were perjuring themselves in front of Congress. And the Department of Justice is so dysfunctional. They’re so useless. Used to be. Now, I don’t know what we’re going to get now. But they used to be — generation after generation — so useless they wouldn’t prosecute these people.
     
    And you don’t change that conduct until you put people like that in prison, until MBA schools are talking and saying, “Lemme’ tell you the story of Uncle Joe. Uncle Joe did this, and he got thrown in prison.” Now, in MBA school, they say, “Uncle Joe did this, and he made a big profit, and he got slapped on the hand, and then he moved to the next ugly project and did it again.” 
     
    We have a useless Department of Justice. And most of them are career prosecutors — they’re not even trial lawyers. Most of the time, they’ve come through some bizarre background, and they’re put in these positions of being prosecutors. Hell, they’ve never been to trial. So until you prosecute these people, you don’t change that conduct that you described.
     
    Day one: they’re selling tobacco that kills people.
    Day two: they’re selling food that kills people.
     
    And we let them go again.
     
    As a matter of fact, when I launched the opioid case, I only knew the edges of it. But I knew there were going to be great documents. And the Department of Justice — for this single time that I can identify — had a real prosecutor in Colorado. He was uncovering this incredible story about the criminality of the opioid industry — how they were nothing short of just pure drug pushers.
     
    And so he wanted to prosecute, and the Department of Justice — Eric Holder, who was Obama’s Attorney General — said, “No, we’re not going to do that.” Well, you know why he said that? Because he’d come up his entire career defending these white-collar thugs. And so he says, “No, we’re not going to prosecute.” But this one lawyer out in Colorado said, “What? Really? I’ve got all this stuff.”
     
    So we take all that “stuff” and we build the case that he was trying to build — and we settle with the opioid industry for $75 billion. And we’re still at it, by the way. It’s still continuing.
     
    TLJ:  You talk about how “fact is always stranger than fantasy” in the practice of law, and you weave that into your stories to not only entertain, but educate people. Your latest novel, The Middleman, touches on PBMs, or pharmacy benefit managers.
     
    MP:  Let me give you an equation. This Trial Lawyers Journal that you do — these are the kinds of stories corporate media will never talk about. The things you talk about here: they won’t hear these lawyers’ stories. They don’t give a damn that lawyers are keeping America safe in so many ways. Now, here’s my analogy: my books step into that same role because corporate media is dead. There is no such thing as investigative journalism in corporate media. It is a useless thing. So this book tells that story about the PBMs — and how they’re raping the American public, how it’s a wholly corrupt gangster organization. It’s purely a gangster organization.
     
    TLJ: As you set up with your characters.
     

    MP:  Yeah. My character is a real gangster. He’s like the Irish gangster. Irish gangster — why do I do that? Because it’s a reflection of what the PBM industry is. They take kickbacks. The kickback is based on whether or not the drug that’s being pushed — by Pfizer, or Merck, or Bayer, whoever — is actually even going to be sold in a drugstore. The kickback is: we’ve put this thing together and nobody even knows what the hell it is.  They don’t serve any purpose, and they actually extort the manufacturers of these drugs. So this has gone on for decades in the U.S.

    And people have to make a decision — whether they can eat that night or whether they have to cut their pill in half. Are they going to be able to take their pill? They can’t afford both. They can’t afford rent and the pills they have to take to stay alive. Now, can you imagine? That’s our culture. And so that’s what this book is. It’s a fictional story. The murders aren’t true, and the Irish mobster isn’t true.
     
    The mobsters over here — they’re not Irish. They dress up in Armani suits. They have Rolex watches. They drive Bentleys. They’re a different kind of mobster. They don’t look like a typical Italian mobster out in New York. They have MBAs. They’re educated at Harvard and Yale. And they’re killing us. And this book talks about that.
     
    TLJ:  Has your writing process evolved over the years?
     
    MP: I was trained to be a writer. Lawyers should have the responsibility to write. They should have the responsibility to tell their story. My first book, Law & Disorder, was a good book. I don’t think it was my best. It was like an introduction book. I had to invent Deke, and I had to invent the characters — Gina Romano and Carol — and all the characters that resurface time and time again. But I think the writing — it’s like anything else. You get better as you go, right? You get better as you practice law. You get better as you write.
     
    TLJ:  Writing is rewriting.

    MP: Yeah. The trick to writing is writing and rewriting. And I think these books — the reason I think they do so well — is they’re true stories that people can read, and it’s a good thriller. I don’t think I’ve written one that’s not a page-turner. I mean, you want to see what’s happening. What’s going to happen to Deke? What’s going to happen to Michael? What’s going to happen to Gina Romano?
     
    You always want to know what’s going to happen, and so they keep you turning the page. But at the same time, as you’re turning the page, you don’t even realize it — but you’re learning the true story of PBMs. You’re learning the true story of the terrorism case — where banks were washing money for terrorists and getting away with it.
     
    And again, the DOJ let them go. If you don’t know that story, and you read it, you’re going to say, “My God, I wonder if this is true?” And then you do a Google, and you find out — yep, it’s true that HSBC admitted that they had washed money for terrorists and cartel drug cartels. And Eric Holder let them go with no punishment. Let’s say this: they were hit for a billion dollars; they had made a hundred billion dollars. And Eric Holder acts like, Oh, this is a huge victory for the Department of Justice. It’s bullshit. Not even a tip to the dealer.

    TLJ: Do you have any dreams of getting Deke on the big screen?

    MP: Well, there’s talk about it right now. There are two screenplays out right now about it. As a matter of fact, the next book that comes out — Paris Hilton sent me a note. She says, “Mike, can I put this in your new book?” Because she loved the book, and it’s a hell of an endorsement.
     
    You know why I wrote that book? Because of her talk. Now understand, I’ve had Al Pacino, Matthew McConaughey, Sting, Fogerty, Keith Urban, Miranda Lambert — I could go on forever with the people I’ve interviewed.
     
    Paris is the only person in that whole group that’s gotten two standing ovations. She was so powerful in her story. So I walked away from there and I said, “Damn, I need to write a book about this.” And so I did — and it’s called A Death in Arcadia, and it comes out the first of the year. She is just, if you were there —
     
    TLJ: I was there.
     
    MP: Because you see it as, “Oh, Paris Hilton is at this Vegas conference with a bunch of lawyers. What’s she doing there?” But then actually, if you sat and listened to her story — my God, it was incredible. It was incredible.
     
    TLJ:  Where do you fall in the non-lawyer conversation? Obviously there’s been a lot of talk about Arizona and allowing these non-lawyers to come in — or KPMG, the big accounting firm — to set up shop as a law firm.
     
    MP: First of all, that decision in Arizona was no gift from the Supreme Court. That’s one of the most awful supreme courts in the country. They were doing that to spite the trial lawyers in Arizona who had given big money to the Democrats. And so these Republican types come in and say, “Oh, well, we’re going to take your business away. We’re going to let everybody do it.”
     
    So, that’s the origin of that. Everybody thought, “Oh man, these guys are so  progressive.” They’re not progressive. They’re regressive. They didn’t mean to help these lawyers. They meant to cause them harm. And I think it has the capacity to do that in the long run, but it needs to evolve. People will figure out how to move into that space, and the people who think they’re coming in big time — if they don’t know what they’re doing, they’re going to get killed. They’re going to get killed. And until they get killed that first time and try to resurrect themselves, they’re not going to understand. This is not something just anybody can do.
     
    Some of them have to go out of business — and they will. They’re already going out of it. I think there have been 10 major bankruptcies since Wall Street got involved and said, “Hey, we’re here to help you. Here’s our money.” And I love to see these Wall Street types lose their money. I mean, it is just — how clear can the message be when you have to go back to shareholders who say, “Wait, let me get this right. You gave $150 million to a three-person firm that has three paralegals, that has 10 people on staff who have never been to trial, and they’ve got 20,000 cases — and you’ve given them $150 million?”
     
    They’re going to somehow pull out of that. They’re in a tailspin. These are people who call me all the time: “Hey, I’ve got all these cases.” And I say, “Sorry, bud, I can’t take those cases. I don’t know how much water’s under the bridge. I don’t know what you’ve done to commit malpractice already.” I can’t take those cases.
     
    TLJ:  For me, it goes back to this kind of commercialization of everything — including law. For example, after I got back from MTMP, I was reading around and discovered that Mars Inc., the food corporation, owns about 15% of the vet clinics in the United States.
     
    MP: Yeah. Again, let me go back to Princeton MBA school or Harvard MBA school. Lemme’ tell you where this started.
    It started when we used to have doctors run hospitals — way before your time, Chad. But there was a time — it is ancient history — when doctors used to own their own hospitals. You’d have 10 or 15 doctors that owned the local hospital in the small town, and they made decisions about how care was put out there and what care should be, and they made all the decisions about healthcare.
     
    Then you had Wall Street say, “My God, we can move in here and make a killing — because nobody’s going to regulate us. Nobody’s going to stop us from charging a $4,000 increase for a routine that’s done at a hospital. Nobody’s going to stop us, and we can get all this money from the insurance companies.”
     
    So all the doctor-owned hospitals were bought up and put into these major hospital corporations, right? And Wall Street said, “Well, we’re not done. Let’s move into dentistry. Let’s move into the veterinary business. Let’s move into the optometrist business. Let’s move into all these different things.” And so, where a kid used to come out of school for optometry, they’d hang their shingle. They’d hang up a license that said, “I’m your local optometrist.”
     
    Well, not anymore.
     
    Now, they don’t even hang anything up. They just go to work for the corporation — because the corporation says, “We’re going to pay you some amount of money that you can pay your student loans back.” And they’re trapped for the rest of their career. They’re slaves. They’re never going to bust through that glass ceiling that the corporation has set for them.
    They are veal.
     

    ••••

     

    It’s impossible to read The Middleman without noticing just how much of Michael “Pap” Papantonio is Nicholas “Deke” Deketomis. But what surprised me most wasn’t the autobiographical threads — I expected those — it was the structure.

    Pap takes a nonlinear approach, pulling us in and out of timelines, revealing characters at different stages in the story. At first, you might think this is Deke’s “Hero’s Journey,” but by the end of Act I (at least that’s what I call it as a former/wanna-be screenwriter), it’s clear the story really belongs to Amy — the pharma heiress turned reluctant whistleblower, caught between love, fear, and a conscience.

    But ultimately, after finishing and marinating in it for a few days, The Middleman felt less like fiction and more like a mirror of what happens at my local pharmacy counter.

    For the past few years, every time I walk into my local chain pharmacy to pick up my “meds” — call it Lisinopril or Alprazolam or whatever drug of choice you’d like — I feel a small taste of the frustration that underpins this book.

    My generic prescription of choice happens to be the brand [fill in the blank], but whenever I request it, the pharmacist raises an eyebrow, sighs, and tells me it’ll require approval from his manager, or the distributor, or the manager of the distributor. Whatever.

    This usually leads to days of delays before they can even fill a prescription that has already been approved by my doctor. This happened for years, until recently the pharmacy changed their “name” and logo (even though  both are part of the same large grocery chain). After this change, suddenly, the generic drug manufacturer of my choice could be easily obtained. 

    A few weeks ago, after finishing The Middleman, I casually mentioned “PBMs” to my eyebrow-raising pharmacist. He shook his head and said, “Oh, those PBMs are bad. They’re putting a lot of the independent pharmacies out of business. The ‘Mom-and-Pop Shops.’”

    After swiping my HSA card, I signed my name on the little digital tablet, took my bag of meds, and said to myself:

    “I’ll have to ask Pap about that.”

    Mike Papantonio is an American trial lawyer, author and senior partner at Levin Papantonio.

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